(]nm0005062]) was so much into reading, and my artwork was based on what was actually out in the street. I was drawing people on the street, going down to Skid Row and drawing; my idea of art was to draw what was out there, and his idea was that you had to be well-read. I used to have to drive him home, because I was living in Manhattan Beach at the time; he would go visit his mother on Thursdays and Fridays, and stay with his mother down there. So I would drive him home, down to Manhattan Beach, and he would give me a long lecture about reading, that I had to read. I'd argue with him; I'd say, "The art world is out there in the street." We had arguments on this. Of course, I didn't read that much, and he didn't go out and draw from life that much. He was living in this fantasy; he was like Ralph Phillips.
